thegizzard Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Should I be worried about anything here? # Attribute Name Flag Value Worst Threshold Type Updated Failed Raw Value 1 Raw read error rate 0x000f 118 099 006 Pre-fail Always Never 172238720 3 Spin up time 0x0003 093 091 000 Pre-fail Always Never 0 4 Start stop count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old age Always Never 554 5 Reallocated sector count 0x0033 100 100 010 Pre-fail Always Never 0 7 Seek error rate 0x000f 078 060 030 Pre-fail Always Never 4376309874 9 Power on hours 0x0032 099 099 000 Old age Always Never 1458 (2m, 1d, 18h) 10 Spin retry count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always Never 0 12 Power cycle count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old age Always Never 128 183 Runtime bad block 0x0032 100 100 000 Old age Always Never 0 184 End-to-end error 0x0032 100 100 099 Old age Always Never 0 187 Reported uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000 Old age Always Never 0 188 Command timeout 0x0032 100 099 000 Old age Always Never 8590065671 189 High fly writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old age Always Never 0 190 Airflow temperature cel 0x0022 076 032 045 Old age Always In the past 24 (1 169 24 21 0) 191 G-sense error rate 0x0032 100 100 000 Old age Always Never 0 192 Power-off retract count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old age Always Never 420 193 Load cycle count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old age Always Never 1426 194 Temperature celsius 0x0022 024 068 000 Old age Always Never 24 (0 18 0 0 0) 195 Hardware ECC recovered 0x001a 118 099 000 Old age Always Never 172238720 197 Current pending sector 0x0012 100 100 000 Old age Always Never 0 198 Offline uncorrectable 0x0010 100 100 000 Old age Offline Never 0 199 UDMA CRC error count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old age Always Never 0 240 Head flying hours 0x0000 100 253 000 Old age Offline Never 455 (44 205 0) 241 Total lbas written 0x0000 100 253 000 Old age Offline Never 38398887063 242 Total lbas read 0x0000 100 253 000 Old age Offline Never 431466919958 Quote Link to comment
RobJ Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Looks fine. If the 'Power on hours' of 1458 can be trusted (is it a refurb?), it's a young drive in good condition. Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 6 hours ago, thegizzard said: Should I be worried about anything here? # Attribute Name Value Worst Threshold Failed Raw Value 190 Airflow temperature cel 076 032 045 In the past 24 (1 169 24 21 0) 194 Temperature celsius 024 068 000 Never 24 (0 18 0 0 0) The drive appears to have been run way too hot. First, a little primer. (I reformatted the attributes a little). The value/worst/threshold columns (attributes) are referred to as normalized values. A value of 100 or higher is excellent. Values below that are ok until they dip below the threshold. At that point the drive is said to have "failed". The worst column tracks the lowest (worst) the attribute has ever gotten. Looking at the airflow temperature, you see your normalized value is 76 with an airflow temp of 24C (the raw value I assume is the actual temperature C when the smart report was taken). As the temperature rises, the normalized value would decrease. When the normalized value hits 45 (the threshold), it means that the airflow temperature is as hot as it should get. I'd guess this is 50-60C - but not sure. Well, at some point in the past this drive's normalized value hit 32. (Shows it failed in the past). That could be 70C+? Those numbers in parenthesis in the Raw Value might give some clues if we knew what they meant. 169C doesn't seem possible, but who knows. If you look at the drive temperature celsius, it looks very funny. The "Value" (24) is the same as the raw value (24). And the worst says 68 - if this attribute were working as normal, the worst would have to be at least down to 24. I believe this attribute is NOT following the rules for normalized values, and instead tracking the actual temperature C. 24 is the current temperature, but I believe the drive got up to a very toasty 68C at some point in the past. I'd say that was way too hot! I've seen this type of thing on drives that were popped from external USB cases with poor ventilation. My guess is that this drive was such a drive and exposed to very high temperatures - probably repeatedly. That is not good for a drive IMO, but may not necessarily be a harbinger of doom. I agree with RobJ that the other attributes are looking ok - so maybe no long term damage was done. I recently bought a supposedly new drive that had nearly identical attributes when it arrived on my doorstep, and I sent it back screaming and yelling at the Amazon Marketplace vendor for selling me a used drive as new, that had been run way too hot. Quote Link to comment
RobJ Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Sorry, I didn't see that 68 or the "in the past". Good catch, Brian. 194 can be taken literally, 190 is "one hundred minus", so the 076 means it's currently 24C, the 045 means a max of 55C, and the 032 means it once reached 68C, well over 55C. I would Preclear it 3 times at least, and see if it holds up. If it does, then it survived the over-temp. I'd still monitor it for awhile. Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I was pretty darn close! Said the 45 was probably between 50 and 60C, and the 32 might 70C! Didn't know that 100 minus trick. I'd say based on the low hours, that this was a USB enclosure pull, and that someone (maybe the OP?) ran a pretty extensive test (maybe a preclear) on the disk while it was in the external case. And it got quite hot. I expect that's what the vendor that sold me my drive at a discount did. Drive is probably fine - but I definitely don't recommend preclearing in the external sweatbox. I might consider it if I was blowing a fan on the disk the whole time - but probably not. I prefer to take my chances that my factory fresh drive has a 2% failure rate (Seagate 8T drives are about that) - which means I have a 98% chance of having a perfectly good disk. And preclear it. One time in 50 I'd be left holding the bag. Quote Link to comment
thegizzard Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 You guys are great. This drive is a warranty replacement. I just received it from the Amazon Marketplace vendor. As a warranty replacement, I did not necessarily expect it to be new. But I wanted to check it out for health before using it. I took these stats before I started my first PRECLEAR. I will run 3 preclears and see how it holds up. Thanks guys. For giggles I will reach out to the Amazon Marketplace vendor and ask about the drives origin. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment
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